Okay...so if God created everything...?

Who created God? He couldn%26#039;t have just shown up.
Okay...so if God created everything...?
By your initial statement it would seem God created himself. He is apart of everything.
Okay...so if God created everything...?
%26quot;God did not create man. but ancient man who created God.%26quot; -- Carl Sagan.
Reply:In my philosophy, God = Love. Love is all there is, when ya get right down to it.





%26quot;In the beginning, Love created%26quot;....seems to read much better to my ears than %26quot; In the beginning, God created...%26quot;
Reply:God was always there, he had no begining
Reply:God is imaginary.
Reply:god isnt created. He%26#039;s a spirit, he doesnt just show up, and he isnt constrained by the laws of physics or time or anything. noone created god.
Reply:Good thinking, that should help you to figure out that GOD as taught in the Bible and everything in it is a Fairy Tale
Reply:actually he did, but you being a created being can%26#039;t comprehend the phenomena of always existing. but you are just trying to disprove that God exists.
Reply:By that logic, in order for something to come out you need a creator, and that also needs a creator and again that also need a creator...





So really is there ever starting point in your logic?





What is the difference between your logic and god being eternal?





This is faulty logic, and you answered your own question.





Infinity concept negates the starting point, its our brain that is %26quot;programmed%26quot; to think there IS a starting point.
Reply:I some what accept the christian faith but believe that the bible is open for interpretation. If there was a big bang there was probably a huge mass of energy created and we all know that if energy was created that anything is possible. Cells and molecules of all types can form things even life. If the energy force was strong enough (which the big bang could have created a energy force large enough for sure) than a god could have been created. If there was not a big bang then outer space or space could have already existed, and if so then we know that space has many types of energy of all sorts of magnitude and this means that molecules could have formed a superior being. We all are made of energy as well as earth, and all other features in space and earth.





For example if you place molecules or cells from a heart on a piece of paper in the the shape of a heart and duplicate this process to model a 3d heart then the heart will function and even beat as a real heart and the same as any other organ.





Wierd Huh








So what I am trying to say is that somewhere and sometime energy and I mean large lumps of it merged together and formed a powerful force.





If you think about it it is crazy to not believe in a god because us and our universe and earth is to perfect. We have organs, we have insects to reduce the trash and decaying matter on the earth, and look at how perfectly constructed we all are and even our enviorment. This is not all just created by chance








NO WAY














I think you are right











Larry G





In the bible it says the same thing that Jesus could not explain the god because people could not understand especially the peo;e on this earth














it%26#039;s some complex ****














I also want to add this statement





strange, huh?





it turns out all the constants are balanced. increase the nuclear force in an atom, and stars would blow up seconds after forming. make the force too weak, and their cores would collapse. it would seem the universe is tuned to have support life and reality!





there are 2 explanations for this:





a. something, or someone, made it that way





b. nature just tried everything, and this is the one universe that %26quot;stuck%26quot;
Reply:Why couldnt God have just showed up? Why couldnt God have always existed? Why couldnt God have simply created himself?





According to the atheist, that is precisely what the universe did.





The universe either %26quot;always existed%26quot; or it %26quot;Big Banged into existence when non-existent dark matter caused a disequilibrium in nothingness.%26quot; Yeah... the atheistic point of view is equally ridiculous.





If atheism is the answer, then causality rules... But, if theism is the answer, that I can at least accept with a little faith. God answers more questions than science does. The same questions exist, the same inconsistencies and logical fallacies exist... but God has the virtue of being accepted and atheism has the failing of being self-reasoned invalid.





God created science and physics... yes... but he also created logic. Try not to use logic and ideas about causality to reason God... it doesnt work because he supersedes and transcends those things. He is no more bound by logic than he is by gravity.. they are both his concepts.





Because of that, no logical argument can disprove God. Secondly, all logical arguments need premise... and no premise can be assumed true if it itself cant be reasoned or proven. Therefore, no premise can be used as a basis for a logical argument proving or disproving the existence of he who created the premises in the first place. In other words, if God is the source of all truths, how do you prove God without having something that pre-existed him as a basis? The concept that logic even applies to theological arguments is a fallacy





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Thanks Bobhilly for at least reading my work... although you gravely miscomprehended it. If you dont understand the point I was making, you have no business arguing against it.





Thanks, also, for rebutting my argument with emotion and %26quot;distasteful%26quot; feelings. Attacking the person or your distaste for the conclusion is not a means for refuting an argument. For example, I could point out that you misspelled %26quot;college%26quot;... but you are just too smart for me. I wish I had your %26quot;edumination.%26quot; But, hey, at least you are not biased, right? I sure wont use your poor English as the sole basis of rejecting your point... but I do ask for a little more than emotional heat.





Of course you never saw God in high school. That is because narrow minded anti-theistic bigots refuse to allow an unbiased formal education of theology in the public education system, even though it is just one more social science... and why so many children remain ignorant and grow up with their own ignorances and prejudices against religion. Good on you atheists for promoting ignorance and bitter hatred. Why is it that unproven, unprovable atheistic creation mythology is taught... while an equally unprovable theistic creation dogma is not permitted?





Yes, God is an answer... a faith-based answer to the fundamental questions of existence and its causes. Atheism says that everything has a scientific cause... but either the universe always existed (thereby the only exception to the rule), or it came into existence via a cause - a cause which itself has no cause. You dont see how science fails us in this regard?





My entire philosophy here is formed around the realization that logic itself is a construct either created by man or created by God... as everything had to be created by God. Its a natural extension of that basic hypothesis / presumption. There is no reason to believe that logic is the only inherent truth that even God is subject to, preexisting and dominating over God. Furthermore, assuming our basic concepts of logic are not applicable to God answers a lot of paradoxical questions.





Its not an unreasonable hypothesis. Quantum logic is a proven fact, and yet it violates all intuitive and instinctive and literal rules about logic. Its an entirely new form of logic. This proves that logic is not universal, constant, objective from all perspectives.





Seriously... if you disagree why dont you make an argument. An intelligent one.





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Im sorry you see it as a contradiction. It seems perfectly reasonable to me... look, you cant even formulate a counter-argument. Either you are that unintelligent that you falsely see it as a contradiction... or youre that bigoted that you insist on seeing it as such. Get over your bias and think outside the box.





Consider that your hateful bigotry against religious claims is your basis for rejecting my argument... that you are only offended by the implications.
Reply:God is eternal.. meaning he lives forever in either direction you go.. According to our human, meaning not Heavenly, or eternal, laws of physics and science, we cannot create or destroy matter.. However, the theories we have developed and even proven, do not apply to God. The knowledge we have on Earth is not equivalent to that of God. We only are able to understand so much in this life on Earth, being humans, and not gods.
Reply:In dealing with the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God, one is dealing with God as Transcendent, Eternal Being.





By definition, God is Eternal, Self-Existent.





In light of physics and logic, this is actually more likely than something coming of absolutely nothing.





Some fun books about God and Soul-realization/salvation:





%26quot;The Great Divorce,%26quot; C. S. Lewis; novella.


%26quot;The Path of the Higher Self,%26quot; Mark Prophet.


%26quot;Expecting Adam,%26quot; Martha Beck.


%26quot;The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?%26quot;, Free and Wilcock, http://www.divinecosmos.com


%26quot;Testimony of Light,%26quot; Helen Greaves.


%26quot;Men in White Apparel,%26quot; Ann Ree Colton.


%26quot;Extraordinary Knowing,%26quot; Dr. Elizabeth Mayer.
Reply:Whelp, God just kinda %26quot;is%26quot;





We, as human beings cannot even being to fathom the concept of eternity that envelopes God.


It is like trying to teach a dog Algebra, or trying to think of a completely new color. You cannot do it.
Reply:Me... I got bored =/


but no really for all we know the big bang made him?
Reply:Only God knows.